I know, I just couldn't resistTFSA wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:05I know you're kinda joking, but I'm not implying corruption or race fixing. Just the FIA being the FIAGrizzleBoy wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:01The FIA used a safery car to influence a race for massive dramatic effect?
They'd never do that.
"Never ascribe to malice, that which can be adequately explained by incompetence."
- Hanlon's Razor
Yup, the SC caught Verstappen and Lando opened a gap.
it certainly wasn't faster on the mediums. Lando couldn't pass Perez and Max was going away from Piastri and until the SC Piastri was back to behind LEC.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:05We called it yesterday when everyone was arguing that the deg and overheating is a MCL problem. And as it turned out, it wasn’t at all. Fastest genuinely on both compounds at high and low fuel. The old mediums pace that NOR unleashed was quite astounding
You’re only telling one part of the story here. NOR was easily faster than PER but the RB has always had great traction and top speed. Just before PER pitted, Lando closed up with ease. And after that NOR ended up setting fastest laps again with ease. 0.4s quicker than PIA and SAI. And generally faster than anyone on hards. He was just protecting his tyres as a normal pass on Perez would have been harddialtone wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:14it certainly wasn't faster on the mediums. Lando couldn't pass Perez and Max was going away from Piastri and until the SC Piastri was back to behind LEC.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:05We called it yesterday when everyone was arguing that the deg and overheating is a MCL problem. And as it turned out, it wasn’t at all. Fastest genuinely on both compounds at high and low fuel. The old mediums pace that NOR unleashed was quite astounding
That being said the Medium was the tire they excelled with in quali so not sure what is surprising. That the Hard performed so well on Lando's car was a surprise, but well done still. Good upgrade.
He had 50% of them according to the teamGrizzleBoy wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:18Piastri didn't have the upgrades, so it's a bit hard to use his car to compare pace of other cars.
Don't mistake not being able to pass for not being quick. When Norris got clear air, he was quicker than anyone before the SC. On his 20+ lap old medium tires, he was quicker than the Ferrari and Red Bull on new hard tires.dialtone wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:14101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:05We called it yesterday when everyone was arguing that the deg and overheating is a MCL problem. And as it turned out, it wasn’t at all. Fastest genuinely on both compounds at high and low fuel. The old mediums pace that NOR unleashed was quite astounding
it certainly wasn't faster on the mediums. Lando couldn't pass Perez and Max was going away from Piastri and until the SC Piastri was back to behind LEC.
That being said the Medium was the tire they excelled with in quali so not sure what is surprising. That the Hard performed so well on Lando's car was a surprise, but well done still. Good upgrade.
He had half the upgrades. And Norris kept the gap to Perez at 2 seconds, clearly managing tyres in cleaner air. When it was time the gap disappeared quickly.GrizzleBoy wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:18Piastri didn't have the upgrades, so it's a bit hard to use his car to compare pace of other cars.
Juzh wrote: ↑05 May 2024, 23:35Called itJuzh wrote: ↑04 May 2024, 18:45In the race Verstappen had the same problems as in SQ. Unlike in hungary last year this time issues didnt sort themselves out. It'll be interesting to see if they can fix it for quali given that he said car was fine in FP1.
If they dont sort it out I predict first win for NOR.
I'm just telling the story, he couldn't pass PER on track. When PIA passed LEC it was in large part thanks to traction issues out of T16 for Ferrari through this weekend, are you pointing that out as well? OR that PIA couldn't get away from LEC once his tires were up to temperature? If you are waiting to evaluate cars only when they are perfect... it's a long wait.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:17You’re only telling one part of the story here. NOR was easily faster than PER but the RB has always had great traction and top speed. Just before PER pitted, Lando closed up with ease. And after that NOR ended up setting fastest laps again with ease. 0.4s quicker than PIA and SAI. And generally faster than anyone on hards. He was just protecting his tyres as a normal pass on Perez would have been harddialtone wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:14it certainly wasn't faster on the mediums. Lando couldn't pass Perez and Max was going away from Piastri and until the SC Piastri was back to behind LEC.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:05We called it yesterday when everyone was arguing that the deg and overheating is a MCL problem. And as it turned out, it wasn’t at all. Fastest genuinely on both compounds at high and low fuel. The old mediums pace that NOR unleashed was quite astounding
That being said the Medium was the tire they excelled with in quali so not sure what is surprising. That the Hard performed so well on Lando's car was a surprise, but well done still. Good upgrade.
You are saying that it was CERTAINLY (your words) not quicker on Mediums. And I’m saying there is absolutely no way you can make that statement with any certainty? What evidence backs up the claim? Him not passing PER clearly isn’t proof as overtaking with DRS coming off these corners isn’t easy. The fact that he set fastest lap times on 25 laps old mediums lap after lap tells me enoughdialtone wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:24I'm just telling the story, he couldn't pass PER on track. When PIA passed LEC it was in large part thanks to traction issues out of T16 for Ferrari through this weekend, are you pointing that out as well? OR that PIA couldn't get away from LEC once his tires were up to temperature? If you are waiting to evaluate cars only when they are perfect... it's a long wait.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:17You’re only telling one part of the story here. NOR was easily faster than PER but the RB has always had great traction and top speed. Just before PER pitted, Lando closed up with ease. And after that NOR ended up setting fastest laps again with ease. 0.4s quicker than PIA and SAI. And generally faster than anyone on hards. He was just protecting his tyres as a normal pass on Perez would have been harddialtone wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:14
it certainly wasn't faster on the mediums. Lando couldn't pass Perez and Max was going away from Piastri and until the SC Piastri was back to behind LEC.
That being said the Medium was the tire they excelled with in quali so not sure what is surprising. That the Hard performed so well on Lando's car was a surprise, but well done still. Good upgrade.
We are not evaluating the McLaren when it's "perfect", we are just stating the obvious, once Perez pitted Norris was immediately the fastest car on track on the medium. The fact that he did not have the overtaking delta on a RB car with a lot of straight line speed is not that surprising. Your claim he was "certainly not the fastest on medium" is one which has no backing.dialtone wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:24I'm just telling the story, he couldn't pass PER on track. When PIA passed LEC it was in large part thanks to traction issues out of T16 for Ferrari through this weekend, are you pointing that out as well? OR that PIA couldn't get away from LEC once his tires were up to temperature? If you are waiting to evaluate cars only when they are perfect... it's a long wait.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:17You’re only telling one part of the story here. NOR was easily faster than PER but the RB has always had great traction and top speed. Just before PER pitted, Lando closed up with ease. And after that NOR ended up setting fastest laps again with ease. 0.4s quicker than PIA and SAI. And generally faster than anyone on hards. He was just protecting his tyres as a normal pass on Perez would have been harddialtone wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:14
it certainly wasn't faster on the mediums. Lando couldn't pass Perez and Max was going away from Piastri and until the SC Piastri was back to behind LEC.
That being said the Medium was the tire they excelled with in quali so not sure what is surprising. That the Hard performed so well on Lando's car was a surprise, but well done still. Good upgrade.
I gave you enough evidence. PIA couldn't shake off LEC and NOR couldn't pass PER and was barely gaining on SAI after PER pitted even though SAI was dropping off LEC. And Max was faster than everyone else anyway.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:28You are saying that it was CERTAINLY (your words) not quicker on Mediums. And I’m saying there is absolutely no way you can make that statement with any certainty? What evidence backs up the claim? Him not passing PER clearly isn’t proof as overtaking with DRS coming off these corners isn’t easy. The fact that he set fastest lap times on 25 laps old mediums lap after lap tells me enoughdialtone wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:24I'm just telling the story, he couldn't pass PER on track. When PIA passed LEC it was in large part thanks to traction issues out of T16 for Ferrari through this weekend, are you pointing that out as well? OR that PIA couldn't get away from LEC once his tires were up to temperature? If you are waiting to evaluate cars only when they are perfect... it's a long wait.101FlyingDutchman wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 00:17
You’re only telling one part of the story here. NOR was easily faster than PER but the RB has always had great traction and top speed. Just before PER pitted, Lando closed up with ease. And after that NOR ended up setting fastest laps again with ease. 0.4s quicker than PIA and SAI. And generally faster than anyone on hards. He was just protecting his tyres as a normal pass on Perez would have been hard