Because if you can get some compression from the ram air inlet then that is less work that the compressor has to do = lower intake air temperature and more energy available from the turbine for the MGU-H. There is a direct advantage from offsetting compressor work with ram air.godlameroso wrote: ↑30 Oct 2020, 19:25Not so crazy, the compressor gives you some very interesting options for the engine air inlet. What's the need for a ram air intake, when your manifold pressure is ~50psi of boost.
You missed the main reason for the sweet handling of the Merc cars over the last several years... longer wheelbase. It gives them more surface area, specifically between the clutch and the rear axle and gives them more downforce. Also, their lower rake philosophy gives them a more stable and predictable aero platform. All of that combined with a best in field and innovative suspension systems both front and rear are what give them their advantage, not some of the conspiratorial nonsense you claim.jjn9128 wrote: ↑30 Oct 2020, 11:58Mercedes advantage is in everything. The have the best engine on the grid, but also because they design it they have the cooling tuned perfectly - one of the reasons they're poorer in traffic than others. Ferrari and Red Bull have this but are down on power compared to the Merc. They have enough money that they can make parts lighter-weight than most of the rest of the field - if the COG can be lowered by 10mm it's worth ~0.1s/lap. They have a good aero-platform, but also a stable aero-platform so the drivers are able to push with confidence - unlike the Ferrari and Red Bull which seem to have handling issues with one of their drivers (Albon unstable rear, Vettel can't get the tyres turned on for qualifying). It also means the car is gentle on its tyres because the drivers aren't sliding, and Hamilton seems to be better at keeping the tyres alive. They understand the Pirelli tyres, after their secret tyre test in 2013 they seem to have an innate and unmatched understanding of the Pirelli rubber... make of that what you will.Bandit1216 wrote: ↑30 Oct 2020, 09:56I hope this is not covered before but I have a question about double diffuser -ish type advantages. Because merc is still so dominant I'm wondering more and more what their advantage is. Especially because it's not obvious where they get their downforce. Not for me at least. Not saying they cheat but:
Once you start adding up all the little advantages then it becomes a big advantage. I don't think there's a trick they're just outspending and out-engineering their rivals.
There's also something about unfair money distribution. They can just afford to pump in billions over the years, because they don't incur any losses, and only gain from the positive PR F1 wins. It makes it nearly a fixed game.ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑30 Nov 2020, 16:16You missed the main reason for the sweet handling of the Merc cars over the last several years... longer wheelbase. It gives them more surface area, specifically between the clutch and the rear axle and gives them more downforce. Also, their lower rake philosophy gives them a more stable and predictable aero platform. All of that combined with a best in field and innovative suspension systems both front and rear are what give them their advantage, not some of the conspiratorial nonsense you claim.
Also a great cooling system and heat management program lead to lower drag making them even more efficient.
Umm, Ferrari gets more than anyone and still struggles to be legally competitive. So it's not just money.mzso wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 13:29There's also something about unfair money distribution.ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑30 Nov 2020, 16:16You missed the main reason for the sweet handling of the Merc cars over the last several years... longer wheelbase. It gives them more surface area, specifically between the clutch and the rear axle and gives them more downforce. Also, their lower rake philosophy gives them a more stable and predictable aero platform. All of that combined with a best in field and innovative suspension systems both front and rear are what give them their advantage, not some of the conspiratorial nonsense you claim.
Also a great cooling system and heat management program lead to lower drag making them even more efficient.
And because they burn oil the bestJust_a_fan wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 16:40Umm, Ferrari gets more than anyone and still struggles to be legally competitive. So it's not just money.mzso wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 13:29There's also something about unfair money distribution.ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑30 Nov 2020, 16:16You missed the main reason for the sweet handling of the Merc cars over the last several years... longer wheelbase. It gives them more surface area, specifically between the clutch and the rear axle and gives them more downforce. Also, their lower rake philosophy gives them a more stable and predictable aero platform. All of that combined with a best in field and innovative suspension systems both front and rear are what give them their advantage, not some of the conspiratorial nonsense you claim.
Also a great cooling system and heat management program lead to lower drag making them even more efficient.
Mercedes are winning because they figured out the current rules earliest and most successfully. And having built an advantage they have managed to keep it. Just like RedBull in the "Vettel years".
Everyone was burning oil.sosic2121 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 18:01And because they burn oil the bestJust_a_fan wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 16:40Umm, Ferrari gets more than anyone and still struggles to be legally competitive. So it's not just money.
Mercedes are winning because they figured out the current rules earliest and most successfully. And having built an advantage they have managed to keep it. Just like RedBull in the "Vettel years".
Or should we forget about that just as we forgot about the illegal tyre test?
Nice to see that you are accepting that mercedes is cheating.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 19:02Everyone was burning oil.sosic2121 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 18:01And because they burn oil the bestJust_a_fan wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 16:40
Umm, Ferrari gets more than anyone and still struggles to be legally competitive. So it's not just money.
Mercedes are winning because they figured out the current rules earliest and most successfully. And having built an advantage they have managed to keep it. Just like RedBull in the "Vettel years".
Or should we forget about that just as we forgot about the illegal tyre test?
One tyre test made for several years' of dominance? Wow, who knew a single test could be so productive...
Where did I say they are cheating?sosic2121 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 20:08Nice to see that you are accepting that mercedes is cheating.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 19:02Everyone was burning oil.
One tyre test made for several years' of dominance? Wow, who knew a single test could be so productive...
And not everyone is breaking gentleman agreement in order to cheat more
And what do you think burining oil and having illegal test(to sort you greatest weakness) is? If ferrari did that you would be shouting that they cheat.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 20:11Where did I say they are cheating?sosic2121 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 20:08Nice to see that you are accepting that mercedes is cheating.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 19:02
Everyone was burning oil.
One tyre test made for several years' of dominance? Wow, who knew a single test could be so productive...
And not everyone is breaking gentleman agreement in order to cheat more
Ferrari were burning oil you know.sosic2121 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 20:48And what do you think burining oil and having illegal test(to sort you greatest weakness) is? If ferrari did that you would be shouting that they cheat.
Actually, you are saying that they cheat but can't say another word about it
I know. That's why it was bannedJust_a_fan wrote: ↑06 Dec 2020, 20:49Ferrari were burning oil you know.